An Interview With William Stafford Essay, Research Paper
This interview was conducted on February 6, 1971, at William
Stafford’s home in McLean, Virginia, and was published in Crazy Horse 7
(1971). Dave Smith is the interviewer.
Dave Smith: Does the poet mythologize his own world in the sense that he makes the
things of his world better or worse than they are.
William Stafford: If I could think of an image for myself, instead of
domesticating the world to me, I’m domesticating myself to the world. I enter that world
like water or air . . . everywhere. Mythologizing, yes. I’m writing the myth of the world,
not the myth of me.
Smith: You go out into the world rather than bring it into you.
Stafford: I do go out into it, but in the way of permeating it. As a poet I am
picking it up, though I am not making it into me; rather, I am making me into it. We are
just working with images here but I don’t feel as a writer that it is my function to turn
experiences into manifestations of myself. Instead, I am like a reporter. I am like the
electric eye.
Smith: What, then, is the role of "craft" in the writing of poetry.
Stafford: It occurs to me as I travel to campuses for readings that many of the
people I meet have the feeling that there is a mechanical ability involved in the making
of poetry. That, especially among young poets, poetry requires a craft of them that they
don’t have. But that isn’t the way that I see poetry. Poetry and prose to me are very
close to the same thing. The distinction is not so much in the craft that’s gone into it
but in the way you present it to a reader. If you say something in such a way as to ask a
certain amount of attention from the reader, that’s a poem. And if you don’t alert him to
its being a poem and let it be prose, well then that’s prose. And prose can be every bit
as complex and difficult, it seems to me, as poetry.
Smith: Does this say anything about the unsuccessful poet-turned-novelist.
Stafford: Well there is something I don’t think we are going to get at in this
discussion that makes a difference. There are some very intelligent people who just can’t
write a good story. It just takes something else. You have to be possessed or there is
something inside you, a story, that writes itself.
Smith: Do you think it is disappointing to discover you are writing about
something.
Stafford: Yes I do. It is a dangerous thing to want to be a writer and to have to
press so hard that in poem after poem, in page after page, you are asserting something,
you are pressing to establish something. Instead you have to go venturing along, to be
willing to give it up, to give up all kinds of assertions in favor of some inner thing I
can’t quite identify here. It is like a development, a pre-development of what you started
with.
Smith: Do you experience dry periods and read as a kind of cure.
Stafford: I have a lot of gusto for reading, yes. I read a lot, and all kinds of
things, but not as policy, rather just because I’m addicted to reading. I just like to
read. I don’t experience those times when I don’t have anything to write because I write
whatever it is that occurs to me. Some writers experience difficulty that may be because
their standards are too high. They feel they can’t write well enough. But I write anyway.
I think that activity is important.
Smith: Do you think that it is impossible to "go to school" on other
poets when you can’t get at something you want.
Stafford: I don’t think it is that conscious with me. For one thing I don’t know
what I’m trying to achieve. I just write and find out what happens. And, besides, my
reading is more in the nature of excited looking around.
Smith: Do you read many of the new books of poems.
Stafford: Well I read a lot of poems but I do read them fast. So that each time is
like a little recognition. Just to see how it goes really. And I neither feel greatly
influenced by nor turned off by the poems. I just feel a kind of comfortable cordiality in
my reading.
Smith: Did you ever hear what Ford Maddox Ford said about Joseph Conrad. That the
only great man is the man who is naive because he can still be delighted with and
surprised by the world.
Stafford: Yes, I like that. I like that idea. Because the contrary attitude of
feeling that you have solved things beforehand seems a false stance. That is, what unfolds
from time cannot be anticipated and the naive stance toward it is the only realistic
stance to take. You don’t know what’s going to happen. Nobody does. I think that his
distinction is that if you feel you have it solved, then you are not a writer. But if you
feel that you are exploring something that hasn’t happened yet, then that’s the way it is
and that’s what a writer does.
Smith: As a graduate of the Iowa workshops, what do you think of workshops.
St
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